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on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 12:28 PM EST :: Posted by : Scudder :: 3287 Reads My girlfriend Carmen Granata received a citation for a noise violation in Eastpointe, MI because a
friend of hers was making a phone call on her porch, speaking at a normal tone.
Instead of making a big fuss about this she figured she would just pay the fine and move along with her life, but when she went to court her neighbor across the street was there with a petition from his friends on the street saying that she has been a nuisance to the neighborhood and that her house is a "party house" that is always noisy. Even then, the court appointed lawyer said to just plead guilty and she would just have to pay a fine, and even though Carmen had written statements from her surrounding neighbors stating that she has NOT been a problem or had ever been loud, the judge paid this no attention and sentenced her to 30 days in jail, a fine more than 500 dollars and two years probation. Some stipulations of her probation are daily reporting and alcohol testing at the Eastpointe Police Department and at 38th District Court, random drug test, attend and complete the Eastpointe Offenders program with a fee of $120.00, any violation = 60 days Macomb County Jail, to keep and maintain a job and community service, no non-prescriptive drugs/No alcohol; any low creatinine levels are an immediate violation, (again, this is for a noise violation). She was not allowed to defend herself or counter the allegations made by the neighbors present in the courtroom or on the contents of the petition. She is in jail for a noise violation ticket and sentenced on allegations and accusations made which she says are not true and this neighbor has a history of calling the police on neighborhood households for trivial matters. She was not allowed to defend herself since she had already pled guilty before she entered the courtroom. This is Carmens first offence and she does not do drugs, has a good job which she loves as a veterinary technician, does community service with animal rescue, and is certainly not an alcoholic. This neighbor has been a known menace to the neighborhood, he has been known to call the police on people for petty things such as having too many yard sales or for people working on their vehicles in their own driveways. Neighbors have actually had privacy fences put up because he has been caught staring in the backyards. One of the neighbors that signed the petition is friends with Judge Redman, the judge that sentenced Carmen, and this is absolutely unfair. The attorney filed a Motion for Early Release and Reconsideration of the sentence on November 29th and Judge Norene Redmond, who sentenced her, DENIED the motion. Carmen does not deserve any of this, especially with this judge doing favors for a friend and at the same time ruining my girlfriends life and reputation. What was said in the petition is untrue, she is a wonderful and extremely kind hearted person. Something needs to be done about this. Lawyer, Michael P. Kavanaugh, (586) 776-1700, who can verify the facts of this case.
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Re: Injustice in Eastpointe!!
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by Tom on Dec 02, 2006 - 01:25 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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Wow!!!, I live in Canada, and as I read this, it makes me wonder if the cops and judges in Eastpointe don't need some sort of drug program? What kind of power trip are they on, not to mention the neighbour who seems to enjoy using the police as his personal brain dead puppets. In Canada this would never happen, the police would laugh at it. They have brains and not into trivial crap, not to mention the Judges here would throw it out of court. Anyone who participates in this crap needs a life, no warnings to keep it down before tickets, terrorists are blowing people up, cutting off their heads, shooting and poisoning people, soldiers are fearing for their life on a daily basis, and all these people have to do is come up with this crap. That neighbour should be ashamed of himself, needs psychiatric help, and I think the police and judge do as well. What an abuse of power. These folks need a stint in Iraq, and maybe they would not work so hard to make mountains out of mole hills. And they wonder why cops and judges get shot. Society has a way of weeding these people out over time. Cops and Judge's are suppose to be the level headed people that help sort out trivial rif raf. The parents of society of sorts, and not act like power tripping KGB type idiots. Judge...ha, power tripping moron seems more like it. Situations like this should never happen if people that are paid big bucks did their jobs properly and had half a brain. I really wish you luck in dealing with this, as the people involved are in key power positions, and likely have an ego built up over time to go with it. Best wishes on your battle with the absurd
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by Kitten on Dec 02, 2006 - 03:42 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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Well I can understand why the judge and the attorney could not be available for comment. It seems they need time to get their stories together. From what I read it definately seems like the punishment does not fit the crime. I also understand that the people in power like to have the numbers on paper to make them look good during election time so I can see them picking on the easy targets instead of doing their jobs and getting the real criminals and actually protecting the law abiding citizens. It not only makes their job easier but adds “notches on their guns” so to speak. I wonder during election time when they announce all their success incarcerating criminals, how many of them are really criminals? Someone has the courage to make an injustice known. This is only one story. How many other stories go unnoticed? Who is next?
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Re: Injustice in Eastpointe!!
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by Helene on Dec 02, 2006 - 05:00 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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UNBELIEVABLE! Child molesters get penalized less than this. Noise violations is not justified by 30 days in jail! We should encourage young folks like Carmen and not have them move out of town. I should be so lucky to have Carmen as my neighbour. On top of everything, this is our tax dollars paying for Carmen's stay in prison. Ridiculous! The poor girl will now have her name tarnished for life because of such stupidity and this makes me very mad. Surely there's real criminals out there or is there nothing else to do. If we are going to waste taxpayer's money, time and resources then we should arrest the neighbour for instigating all of this nonsense. I guess I should be afraid to sneeze on my deck.
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by joeswife823 on Dec 03, 2006 - 07:28 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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all i can say is this makes me sick....I grew up in eastpointe and lived there for 23 years of my life and very soon my husband and i will be looking to buy a home and it won't be in eastpointe. the whole city has gone straight down the tubes and it's because of stuff like this. just a little side note: my parents not only left eastpointe but they left the state because of stuff like this...maybe my hubby and i will follow. disgusting....shame on you judge redmond!!!!!! ill say it again SHAME ON YOU!!!!!
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Re: Injustice in Eastpointe!!
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by joegranata (granataj@comcast.net)
on Dec 03, 2006 - 08:41 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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If you think a 30 day jail sentence is crazy, Eastpointe city ordinace does allow the judge to put you in jail for 90 days for a noise violation. As Carmen's father, I guess that I should be thankful that Carmen was "lucky" she only got 30 days! Guess she got lucky too that the DAILY alcohol testing isn't an HOURLY requirement; that at least the judge is "allowing" her to still live in her own house (after her jail sentence of course); lucky that she is still allowed to have people visit her house, (they just cannot stay overnight); lucky that it was only 100 hours of community service; and very lucky the monthly drug testing wasn't daily also! Man, how lucky can one person get? Thank you Eastpointe and Judge Redmond for the fairness and appropriateness of your laws and judicial judgments. Maybe 30 days in the Macomb County Jail will help my daughter see the error of her ways! Like why is she, or anyone else, choosing to live in Eastpointe! It is absolutely sickening what has happened to my daughter and I am not going to let this injustice go unnoticed by the public. Front page on the Macomb Daily Saturday paper, an article in the Oakland Press on Saturday, a segment on Channel 2 Fox news tonight, and more stories planned for other media outlets this coming week. When something is this ridiculous, it is easy to get media exposure because the story speaks for itself. More to come.....and thank you to all for your support and taking the time to speak out about this gross injustice.
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Re: Injustice in Eastpointe!!
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by mommameah on Dec 04, 2006 - 09:24 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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Obviously she's not a responsible home owner if she lets her partys get out of control. I've read in the news paper that 14 neighbors not just one neighbor had complained about that house.Im sure they are not all just trying to pick on her for no reason .If you guys were living on my block we would have done the same thing.This is a family town not a party town! I'm sure there is alot more to this story that you all are'nt saying.I dont think our honarable judge would put her in jail just for a girl being on her cell phone
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by mommameah on Dec 04, 2006 - 09:39 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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I read the news paper 14 neighbors complain about this house and made a petition up I highly doubt that they would just want to pick on that house for no reason. I;m sure there is more to the story then what there telling you.If they lived on my block my neighbors would not go for it either.Would you?????
I highly doubt that judge redmond would just throw this innocent girl in jail for no reason There must be more to the story and I will be interested to find out.
Eastpointe is a family town not a party town!!!
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Re: Injustice in Eastpointe!!
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by JIMMYREJECT on Dec 05, 2006 - 01:39 AM (User info | Send a Message)
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I KNOW CARMEN PERSONALY N LEMME TELL YA SHES THE LAST PERSON YOUD EXPECT THIS TO HAPPEN TO. SHES A POLITE SOFT SPOKEN SWEETHEART. EASTPOINTE COPS ARE CORRUPT AS HELL. I GREW UP THERE AS A TEENAGER ME N MY FRIENDS WERE, SUBJECT TO RANDOM SEARCHES, DETAINED FOR NO REASON. BEIN CALLED A !@#$% N THREATENED PHYSICALLY, N IN ONE CASE MY FRIENDS CAR SEATS WERE SLASHED WITH BOXCUTTERS IN A SEARCH FER DRUGS WHEN THERE WERE NONE. EASTPOINTE COPS JUST PLAIN SUCK.
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Re: Injustice in Eastpointe!!
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by joegranata (granataj@comcast.net)
on Dec 05, 2006 - 02:34 AM (User info | Send a Message)
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14 neighbors did not complain about my daughter's house. One neighbor complained and went around and found 14 people in the neighborhood (not close neighbors either) to sign a petition that he wrote and had NOTHING to back it up with. I could walk up and down my street here in Warren and could get 14 people to sign a petition against my neighbor if i made them sound like they were the scum of the earth. Who would want someone like that living on their street? The petition was a bunch of crap and I intend to prove that. My daughter also had 3 letters from each neighbor on each side of her and one from directly across the street. Funny, these neighbors, who lived right next to my daughter said that they have not had any problems with the house. Of course, the honorable Judge Redmond would not even look at those letters or let my daughter speak to defend herself agaisnt these allegations. I am upset and mad as hell because this is exactly "the whole story". Your right, the Judge didn't put her in jail and impose absurd probation restrictions on her because her friend was talking on cell phone; and that is the problem. THAT is what she got the ticket for but what she got sentenced for was not even related to the ticket she pled guilty to! Do you think this would be getting so much media attention if it wasn't the whole story? The "out of control" party as you call it was my daughters friends sitting on her front porch at 1am and being too loud for the chronic complainer. The police came and everyone went into the house, it was not an out of control party. You have the honor of being the FIRST person I have heard who thinks there is some justification to throwing my daughter in jail and imposing crazy probation terms on her. Hope you or someone you love never end up there because it is not a nice place and my daughter does NOT deserve to be there. Like the Macomb Daily said, "people who commit felonies do not get that harsh of a punsihment."I suggest you go and talk to the neighbors who live directly around my daughter and then go talk to the individual who was behind the petition. You just might change your view of this.
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by Tom on Dec 05, 2006 - 05:03 AM (User info | Send a Message)
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I really don't think it will be a problem in the future, there will be nobody left there to charge, your family oriented town will be empty after all the kids grow up with no parties, hell, can't even sit on your own porch. Keep children in a cage, no fun allowed, make criminals out of them. Catholic Nuns welcome, bring your own yardstick. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Maybe you can bring in capital punishment for such horrendous crimes such as socializing, and 1:00am cellphone use. Even if it was a party the punishment is still very excessive. I am 48 years old now, but I still remember what it was like to be young, and this is insane, anyone who backs this being done to this poor girl is on the outside looking in, always good when it's not you that are the one getting the shaft huh. You can play hollier than thou pretty easy. What goes around comes around, and when it does, you would not like it if this were you.
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by monty (tcb1968@wowway.com)
on Dec 05, 2006 - 10:27 AM (User info | Send a Message)
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I find it hard difficult to believe that Carmen's family and friends are unwilling to speak the WHOLE truth about this matter. Yes, Carmen is paying a hefty price for the actions of herself and her guests, however, do you really think that the Police, City Attorney and Judge Redmond would allow this matter to proceed if there wasn't something there? The Police have received over a dozen complaints, from different residents, regarding the noise at Carmen's home. The 14 residents who signed the petition are all aware of the problems that have arisen (i.e. beer bottles and liquor bottles on different lawns, public urinating and vomiting on neighboring properties, cars coming and going at all hours of the night, commotion and noise on a pretty regular basis) and signed said petition voluntarily because they do not want their neighborhood to be ruled by a group of young adults who do not have enough respect for their community to clean up after themselves or follow the laws.
Further, the 3 letters that Carment had, saying what a great person she and her guests are, were not from both her immediate next door neighbors as previously stated.
On the night Carmen received the noise citation the Police received numerous calls (once again from different residents)regarding the noise. They were out at 1:00 a.m. and warned the group to keep it down. When they returned at 4:00 a.m. an officer parked down the street to see if the call was justified and heard the noise and commotion from his position. I find it hard to believe that if an individual was merely talking on a cell phone on the porch the officer would have been able to hear that.
Judge Redmond is a tough Judge as you can see in todays front page story of the Macomb Daily. Carmen is not the only individual who has gone before Judge Redmond and been held accountable for their actions.
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Re: Injustice in Eastpointe!!
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by peace on Dec 05, 2006 - 12:52 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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Im sorry mr granata but that is absolutley not true! 14 neighbors did have to complian about that house and have you checked the records since april when they moved in.More than a dozen complaints to the police about differnt things other then just noise. Also for the record 14 people voluntarily sign the petition that was made up from more than one neighbor) I understand your flustrations Im a parent to and Im flustrated that my kids had to be subject to all of this .This is supposed to be a family town a safe place to raise are kids and regeretfully it was untill they moved in.We do have better things to do in our lives then to pick on carmen.Thats not what we were doing . We are mostly familys with children on this street and most residents were here for more than ten years that say it was getting totaly out of hand.We shouldnt have to see guest of carmens urinating on neighboring properties,vomitting,trying to destroy halloween decorations and them being caught doing this and being told to f-off.,We should'nt have to pick up there garbage,and we should be-able to have our kids play outside with out fear.I know that there probaly not telling you everything most kids dont but why didnt you ask if you are so concerned.I dont wish jail time on anybody but carmens got to be responsible for her actions.you guys keep saying its because a girl was on the cell phone at 1;00am and 4;ooam not true we were sleeping and was wokeing up do to the comotion that was going on outside.believe me we need are rest were not just gonna want to stay up all night being nosey like your accusing us of being.To the 2 people that are trying to slamm my husband as being the nuiasence tell them to look in the mirror and ask them if they were complaining about your daughter too because they were and they no that!! there also known as a nuisance and there pin pointing the wrong person for being nosey!!Maybe there just scared because we got the rock threw our window not them!!
Also one more thing:Everyone has the right to have a good time (party) but just be respectful and responsible and this would have never happen.Please quit putting the blame on everyone else step back and look at the big picture!
Im sorry that shes in jail because it was'nt just her but because she is the homeowner she is held responsible,just like if someone leaves your home and there drunk and hurt someone driving you would be the one getting sued.
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by peace on Dec 05, 2006 - 03:38 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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you shouldnt say anything if you dont know the whole story how unfair is that ? Were you in court that day?Did'nt think so.Your probaly one of there friends trying to bash "the nosey neighbor"and eastpointes court system .shame on you!
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by Tom on Dec 05, 2006 - 05:46 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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Well well, more of the story comes to light, if she was doing this, she deserved to get spanked, but still, 30 days in jail, for a first offence, plus all the rest, why not just keep laying out the fines until it stops. It sounded bad at first, but it seems there may be more here than meets the eye. If she has been a little terror, then I can see why the police and judge got mad. I still think that a fine would have been enough. The problem with the U.S. is that there is no pardon system, once you get a felony record, there is no pardons unless you are a president. That means that you can't get a job just anywhere, etc etc, so they need to live and break the law again. With any justice system you need to have some forgiveness, let people that learn from their mistakes work their way back into being good citizens again as they grow up and learn. Otherwise you just fill up jails, and make them career criminals to earn a living. Anyhow, maybe the cops and neighbours and judge were just trying to say cool the parties and since you don't seem to listen, here, slap...but it still seems a bit harsh for a first time charge for noise.
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by theregoesthehood on Dec 05, 2006 - 09:26 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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You know i just don't understand, you have this poor girl sitting in jail because she is responsible, educated, and a hard working citizen. Oh but that's right she made some noise and it bothered two nosey neighbors, now i thought that having some friends over wasn't against the law? But what was i thinking? When you have people around her that like to make hell for others in the neighborhood,maybe she should have invited them over, Nah because there unsociable. I live in the area myself and i never had a problem with Carmen or her company. I have children myself that play in the neighborhood, they never had a problem either. Never stepped over or on a broken bottle,never seen someone urinating, have seen people race down the street at ALL HOURS of the day and night.(you know the public). Nor have thay ever been bothered by any noise. I'ts pretty pathetic that we live in a community not a wealthy community a common one, and you have to worry about one or two bad apples that wanna spoil everyone elses fun. We live in a community were couples and families want to have a good start at having a good life bye purchasing a moderatly priced home.Well what do you get? I'll tell you, young people proud of what they have accomplished,that like to have fun. So another word is, live life to the fullest and stop worrying what other people do. I'ts a good motto to live by. Someone in this neighborhood likes to cause alot of trouble for other people, we need to weed them out so we can all have a happy, fun, productive life without having to worry about who's grass we step on or who we are going to offend by being a little to loud. News flash for what might bother you doesn't neccisarily bother every made up petition signer.I would love to see all the people that signed that petition step up and complain as much as the one who originated it. FREE CARMEN!!!
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by joegranata (granataj@comcast.net)
on Dec 05, 2006 - 10:48 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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What exactly was the charge my daughter faced? A violation of a city noise ordinace. She was not charged with destruction of property, being drunk and disorderly, indecent exposure, or public endangerment. She pled guilty to a noise violation, nothing else. I was always under the impression that the punishment is supposed to fit the crime in this country. Her crime was a noise violation and I am sure nothing more was written on that ticket. If the judge wanted to punish by daughter for other violations or crimes, I always thought she would have to actually be charged with them and then given the opportunity to defend herself. That did not happen here and that is the real issue. The issue is not what may or may not have happened in the past at her home or in the neighbor. That should have been saved for another place and time. If they were breaking the law, they should have been arrested or ticketed then. They never were, but yet, it appears she was sentenced for a whole list of things she was NEVER ticketed or charged with. That is my issue.
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Re: The other side of the story
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by Scudder on Dec 05, 2006 - 10:54 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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I moved to Eastpointe, on danald street actually, in 1989. The neighborhood was a lot nicer back then to i would like to add, Even so, back then people would speed up and down donald street quite often, and many times people would throw trash out on the street. My parents used to call the police, as a matter of fact, in hopes to try and stop the speeder, but all attempts failed, with police basically saying that they have more important things to do than set up speed traps on donald. To this day people speed up and down the street, that is not Carmen's fault! She is not responsible for every piece trash or bottle found in the neighborhood! Carmen is completely against littering, and has respect of most of her neighbors; nobody in the area has had privacy fences put up because of her, can you say the same thing?? The bottle rocket incident happened on the 4th of July, during the day, on her own property. The day you accused us for throwing something threw your window, it was me and Carmen watching television, while her brother was doing schoool work. We have never noticed or known about anybody vomiting, or urinating, or even being on your property what so ever. Look you started this, this has gotten entirely out of hand, you are absolutly making things up, so unless you can prove it-SHUT UP!! You already look ridiculous, stop peaking out of your window and start watching your kids, that you claim to be so concerned about all these "crazy parties" across the street corrupting them. What are they doing awake so late anyway?? Its amazing that this loud house can wake you up, and not anyone else, not either of your neighbors on both sides of you, or Carmens immediant ones.....or maybe its just that you have nothing better to do than picking on the youth, because you missed out on yours. I dont know where you got these names for this petition, but your buddies and you should really stop spreading lies. Get a hobby! Go to church!
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by joeswife823 on Dec 05, 2006 - 11:18 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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Firstof all "flustrated" is not a word...I think you are looking for the word "frustrated." That being said, I wonder if you have ever tried getting to know Carmen or her friends for that matter. Somehow, I doubt it. You saw her moving in and probably saw her boyfriend and thought "oh no, there's some people who look a little different....there goes the neighborhood." Take into consideration also that Carmen is 23 years old. I'm sure before you started your family life you had your moments. Did you ever try confronting her if she was such a menace....or did you immediatly start with the police calling? Somehow I doubt that you ever tried confronting her and asking her to tone things down. I know Carmen and her boyfriend and I can tell you that they are sane rational people and that if you would have talked to them maybe they would have toned it down. I'm not saying that they are perfect and that you and your husband should be damned for you actions, what I am saying is that there is a happy medium. Have you ever heard of proactive vs. reactive? Look it up. Everyone could have handled it differently but before you can change the world, you must change yourself.
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by joeswife823 on Dec 05, 2006 - 11:48 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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why are you attacking me????? I said nothing about you. I was stating my feelings about the sentence. I didn't have to be in court that day, I have researched Judge Redmond's record. God now I see why you're being called the nosey neighbor...you comment on things and people you know nothing about. Get a grip. I have never made any statements bashing you, your husband or your family. Stop making statements bashing mine.
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by joeswife823 on Dec 06, 2006 - 12:11 AM (User info | Send a Message)
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ps "peace" just because I wasnt in the courtroom doesnt meant that I have waved my right to have an opinion...What was your opinion of the OJ Simpson trial...bet you have one....Were u in that courtroom?
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by Tom on Dec 06, 2006 - 01:06 AM (User info | Send a Message)
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This is getting pretty big, maybe people should use the discussion forum in here, thats made for this stuff. And some people should learn better grammar and spelling skills, may keep them from peeking at the neighbours...lol
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Re: The other side of the story
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by peace on Dec 06, 2006 - 07:22 AM (User info | Send a Message)
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First of all scudd I never said you or carmen threw a rock threw our window almost hitting my 7yr old son it was just odd that a week after the ticket this happend ,So what would you think?
Also Do Not Mention My Kids! leave them out of this mess!!All we were trying to do is to get the late night party's,garbage,urinating, to stop.We never wish jail time on carmen or the strict probation on her.We were just as shocked with the harsh judgement as you all were.
Yes to your comment about privacy fences We had to put ours up first thank you,As you can see it's all around my yard!!
Just for the Record I'am a very honest and responsible adult who takes very good care of my children so watch what your saying about that!
Like we stated in the petition everyone has a right to have a good time just be respectful and responsible thats all and one last time it was not just us!!!Like you guys keep saying. ,That night of the ticket it was not just us that called!! So maybe you need to get your Facts straight and grow up.Your about our age are'nt you?
You do not know us so you quit passing the buck only on us and sorry we were not the only ones who made the petition (also we were summons to court), There is also alot of other people that felt the same way as we did! and that is a FACT So you get your facts straight .I'm done speaking my peace I 've said everthing I believe in my heart to say so I wont be blogging, reading or speaking about this anymore.Like you said I have to put this behind me and worry about my kids and how this all has affected them.Good wishes to carmen and her family and their fight against the court system and I do mean that respectfuly.God Bless!!
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by JohnJ (johnyj@yahoo.com)
on Dec 06, 2006 - 12:39 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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How exactly did Carmen or her company ever harm you or your family?
When was the last time the cops made a visit to Carmen's home for noise/party on a weekday?
When was the last time you actually took time out of your day to talk to Carmen or her company?
Can you honestly tell me, every night there is a problem at Carmen's house?! I didn't think so.
This may be a surprise to you, but Carmen actually works, she has a career. Her friends have jobs, they actually have lives.
Carmen's home is a working home. People have blown the situation way out of proportion. 99% of the time, drive past Carmen's home, it's almost a guarantee that it'll look like any other house in Eastpointe. That other 1% might frighten you, there may be people socializing! A 23 year old with friends, how could that be?
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by marisa on Dec 06, 2006 - 05:54 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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Some of these comments are absolutely ridiculous!
FACT: A 1st time violation is not grounds to:
- Jail for 30 days
- 2 years probation
- Daily alcohol tests
- or any other of the B.S. she was sentenced to
Regardless of wheather Carmen has a party house or not- her sentence is not justifiable. If the court system wanted to put her in jail so bad they should have found a legitimate way of doing so. I am not a criminal nor have I been in my entire life but if I was accused of a crime and was innocent I would not want to go before Judge Redmond. SHE HAS CLEARLY ABUSED HER POWERS AND HAS MADE A MOCHARY OF THE UNITED STATES JUDICIAL SYSTEM! This is a trivial charge. I am still trying to figure out why a 21 year old is denied the use of alcohol for two years because of NOISE.
To the neighbors: Regardless of noise or not you cannot possibly justify such a sentence like the one she was handed. If you are happy she is there that is one thing, but do not try to rationalize her punishment- because it is in fact IRRATIONAL! If Carmen has done all that you have said she has she still should not be sentenced to this extreme and if you can't make sense of that then I have no idea what to say to you.
To her father & boyfriend: I can't tell you how happy I am to see that you have taken this so far. Please continue to fight this injustice and if there is anything I can do to help please let me know.
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by ratm on Dec 07, 2006 - 09:26 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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In September '05, my fiance and I bought our first home here in Eastpointe. In the past year we've been massively robbed, my fiance's car was broken into and nearly stolen, and we live only 2 blocks away from the police station. This city is deteriorating any which way you look at it. It's a terrible thing, but that's the truth of the matter. The other truth is that younger people are moving in. My fiance and I are 22 and 25 respectively. Our neighbors on either side are twenty-somethings. A young man I graduated with (from EDHS, mind you) just moved in down the street. Eastpointe is not a "family town" anymore. It's changing, and it has been for the past 10 years or so. I've lived here for 23 of my 25 years in this world, and never have I heard of, or experienced, as much crazy stuff as I have within the past year, in this city. I think the city needs to realize that a younger crowd is moving in. Like I said my fiance and I are both young, we own our house, pay our taxes, vote, take care of our property like anyone else here. There are 2 things that scare me the most out of this situation: 1. I could be in Carmens place. I live only a few blocks away. We enjoy having parties and people over our house as well. On any given day we could have anywhere from 1-7 people at our home. I know there have been times where we might have been loud or perhaps a bit disorderly, but we try to maintain a level of respect with our neighbors. Luckily we were blessed with awesome neighbors, even the older ones across the street that might not understand us "kids" and our crazy ways. Maybe that's the difference like someone said above, did these instigating neighbors ever try to talk to Carmen themselves, or did they just resort to the police? Where as on my block, we're all cordial and friendly to each other. The other thing that scares me, is the Eastpointe judicial system. I don't want to go to jail. So does that mean I can't have a good time, and have friends over my house? Should that mean, I shouldn't have overnight guests? When I think about this whole matter it just gives me the shivers and it just plainly angers me. Obviously something is wrong here or this matter would not be as huge as it is. Obviously if people want to maintain this "family town" image, perhaps they should extend the qualities of family to the people around them, literally. Certain neighbors keep insisting they don't want their kids around Carmen or this issue, but maybe if you had befriended your neighbor, instead of instantly judging, you might actually find someone you would want you children to be around. From the sounds of it, and from what I know Carmen is exactly what everyone keeps saying about her. A soft-spoken successful young person. Loves animals, loves her job, and seems to love the people around her. So she might have some bad habits but who doesn't. No one is perfect. If you want to play the saintly card, at least be truthful about yourself. I've heard stories from neighbors not associated with Carmen's family or friends, that are nearly identical to what I've heard from those on Carmen's side.
All in all some young person is wasting away time in jail, missing the holidays, whose next two years will probably end up completely over-turned and in finacial and legal upheavel for ONE night of good, honest times with her friends. It's such a shame and one more reason that I can't wait to move out of Eastpointe for good.
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by Denise on Dec 07, 2006 - 11:07 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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From: BOB Comments: IF THE FREE PRESS IS ACCURATE, JUDGE NORENE REDMOND SHOULD BE FIRED BY THE CITY MANAGER FOR HER HANDLING OF THE CARMEN GRENATA AFFAIR. WHAT A MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE AND MISUSE OF POWER! IT SEEMS SOME FELONS GET LIGHTER SENTENCES.
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by Rettirk on Dec 08, 2006 - 12:11 AM (User info | Send a Message)
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Wow - sounds to me like Judge Norene Redmond is on a power trip and needs to spend some time in jail himself.
Anyone that can abuse the power of the law that much needs to spend some serious time in the pen.
I live in Maine and know ALL about corrupt police departments and bad judges but I don't think even our local good ol' boys would go that far.
If I was a Mich taxpayer I would be OUTRAGED at the WASTE of taxpayer money that will be invested in the next two years on monitoring of this girls probation.
If they want petitions guys - I would give um to them.
Get out there and get people signing - demand the removal of this idiot judge.
As for you people saying - well there has to be more to the story.
Hellloooooo - even if there was more to the story and even if at some point this girl did do something - BIG DEAL. That was NOT what she was in court for,
This girl got shafted and the judge that did this needs to be removed.
As for the loser neighbor that started the bull in the first place.
Start documenting everything he does - it's time for the complaints about him to start rolling in.
This is just outrages and makes my blood boil -
I would stay longer and complain but I need to go find Eastpointe on a map and make sure I never go 200 miles from it.
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by dt10111 on Dec 08, 2006 - 12:13 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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The injustice imposed on Carmen is really without debate here. The law is out of line on every possible level. Sure, the girl may be guilty of noise violation, but the punishment is extremely inappropriate.
The answer is to get the girl out of jail, and retaliate legally against the city. You need money to do this. It is my advice, Mr. Granata, that you setup a Paypal account, or some other way to receive donations via the internet, and ask for donations to pay for legal fees. Someone should be fighting this BS, and I suspect you could raise significant legal funds to help. I know I would contribute gladly.
Protesting and such might help, and writing letters to government personnel might too. But, I think, in the end, the law is on your side. You just need legal muscle to fight it.
Also, I would retaliate legally against the neighbors who inspired this. I would hawk their every action and sue them for ANY thing they do questionably. If they are putting a malicious petition against Carmen, see if you can sue for defamation. Even if it is a questionable case, sue them anyway, and make them spend their cash on an attorney themselves. There must be something that can be done here. Consult an attorney. But, seriously, people should be forced to take responsibility for this assault on Carmen.
I'm a third party that knows no one involved, but am a VERY concerned citizen. This is some of the must unjust BS I've read in ages, and it makes me sick to my stomach. That the neighbors showed up here to defend themselves is even more sickening. You aren't even real human beings.
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by Scudder on Dec 08, 2006 - 01:21 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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Im sure you heard some of the news stories about my girlfriend Carmen Granata being thrown in jail with two years probation for a noise violation by Eastpointe judge, the 38th district court-Norene Redmond. Well the more we dig into this, the more dirt were finding on her. Everyday we hear another horror story about yet another one of her harsh and ridiculous sentencing; i.e. year probation for being late on paying there landlord license, jail time for jaywalkers, holding a 17 year old girl in contempt for a week-missing Thanksgiving, for questioning her high fine for possession of tobacco. There was an incident with Norene bringing her dogs into the courtroom with her while she worked, and despite pleas from the city, county, and people, she continued bringing them until finally the Michigan Supreme Court stepped in and forced her to leave them at home. She would also have paid city workers walk them while on the clock. Some members of the Eastpointe city council, who also have had problems with the good judge, informed me the she is the highest paid person in the city, and her staff that she hired, most without even posting, are also highly paid. Her court has a budget of one million dollars, and she would like more. To me it seems that this judge is abusing her power, wasting taxpayers money, filling up already over crowded jails with frivolous cases, and I think its time to stand up against her. Saturday the 16th we are going to protest, march, and picket, at the 9 and Gratiot area, by the courthouse. I have no problem with the city itself and no problem with the law enforcement, but whenever somebody abuses there power, and bullies people around and thinks they can get away with it like Norene Redmond has I, for one will not stand for it! I ask for YOUR support. Join us on Saturday the 16th.
Erik Scudder
“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds”
Samuel Addams
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by Tom on Dec 08, 2006 - 03:55 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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I was looking at the good judges home page and this is her Dec blurb!!!
Dear Eastpointe Neighbor:
The December issue of Bench Notes has been posted. If you would like to be placed on an e-mail list for when the newsletters are released, just drop me an e-mail and we'll see what we can do.
It is hard to believe that the holiday season is already upon us. I want to thank all of the residents and local businesses who have taken considerable time and energy to decorate their yards! With the recent (small) snowfall, it is a delight driving down the streets and seeing the winterland. It looks great (and so do the new decorations at City Hall)!
A reminder, the 38th District Court will be closed for the holidays on Monday, December 25 and Tuesday, December 26, 2006. We will also be closed on Friday, December 29 and Monday, January 1, 2007.
As always, if there is something that we can do to be of greater service to you, please let us know!
No thanks, I think you have done plenty that people will never forget thanks!!!
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by ratm on Dec 10, 2006 - 12:50 AM (User info | Send a Message)
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Courtesy of Scudder....
http://www.judgeredmond.com/06B107898.htm
and then click on number 11.
It really, really sickens me. Obviously this is from the neighbor...how can you possibly be concerned with your children's safety and well being, and have that much time to stalk all these people on myspace? Half of the items highlighted, or indicated by an arrow, have little- to-no relevence to the issue at hand or merely appear to be jokes. Incredibly childish, and quite a low and shallow blow from people who are trying to come out of this as mature and right.
Not that I'm even on that list, but it still feels like a complete violation of privacy.(Even though myspace is an open forum, I guess you don't ever think someone could be using it against you, in one of the worst ways possible.)
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by rh2004 on Dec 10, 2006 - 05:31 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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Want to hear the real story!!! The girl should be in jail because the police have been called to her house 14 times. they are very loud and very rude. And also they have only been living on the street since april so what does that tell you? very rude. And to have her dad set on tv and not know the whole story! And she only has 5 more days to go so i think everyone needs to mind there owe bussiness and go back to living your life. And if you want to party and do something wrong you have to pay the crime.
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by joeswife823 on Dec 10, 2006 - 05:35 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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ummmmm last time I checked having a party was not a crime (nor is being rude for that matter) on top of the fact that she was never charged with anything but a noise violation and where in thepolice or case records does it say that the cops were at her house 14 times???
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by joeswife823 on Dec 10, 2006 - 05:37 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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PS. Oh and she has 5 more days in jail....but she has 2 more years of her civil rights being violated.
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by crb726 on Dec 10, 2006 - 06:12 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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I have two questions for you rh2004. One, were the cops actually at her house 14 times or were they called 14 times by someone complaining about their house? There is a big difference there. I could be a real pain in the butt to my neighbors and call the cops for every little thing that might bug me, but that does not mean that my neighbors are actually doing anything wrong...it would just mean that I have way too much time on my hands and don't have a life of my own so I want to make those who do have one miserable. Two, how can the police go to someone's house on 14 different occassions and not give that person a ticket until just recently? I find it hard to believe that the eastpointe police don't have better things to do then visit a house 14 different times for something that is not worth giving a ticket for.
I also have to comment on the last part of your post. This is in fact everyone's business, that's why they make these cases "public record", so the public has a right to know what is going on in their community and in this case who is getting a completely unfair sentence. Her dad had every right to go on tv and I would hope any dad would do the same if they saw that their daughter was getting treated unfairly. Her dad has a lawyer who is actually paid to "know the whole story" so I know that Joe (her dad) also knows the whole story. Furthermore, don't you think that TV and newspaper reporters are paid to investigate stories that they get so they also know the whole story? I find it hard to believe that all the news media this story has been getting is totally incorrect. The fact of the matter is, Carmen was cited for a single noise violation offense and nothing else. That being the case 30 days in jail with 2yrs. probation is completely ridiculous! Not to mention no alcohol, no overnight guests, no parties, and daily alcohol tests for 2yrs! People with multiple DUI's, which I feel is a way worse offense, do not get such a harsh sentence at times. I agree that someone should have to "pay" for breaking the law, but to say someone should have to pay for partying is just ignorant.
If you feel this is a just sentence for the offense she was cited for, then what do you think a proper sentence would be for someone who throws an empty liquor bottle on someones driveway so it shatters all over and then gets arrested for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest because the police happen to see the person commit the crime? This crime believe it or not was committed by Carmen's neighbor (Richard Jordan - case numbers 06B107899B and 06B107899 which can be looked up on www.courts.michigan.gov). The police report notes that this was a crime against Carmen Granata...so she is also a victim here. The other interesting fact of this arrest is that Richard Jordan initially refused bail because he said that he wanted to speak with Judge Redmond in the morning. Hmmm, could it be that this neighbor knows or is friends with Judge Redmond? Could it also be possible that the judge told Mr. Jordan to get a petition together and show up in court on Carmen's court date and that she (the judge) would take care of the rest? Granted I have no proof of the later part of this but the fact that Richard Jordan was going to refuse bail and that he said he wanted to talk to judge redmond is in fact in the police report that was filed.
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by andydixon4 on Dec 10, 2006 - 08:33 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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I see on Judge's website interesting information concerning 'the case'. Seems like someone decided to send Judge a letter stating "I thought you should read this its got comment about you and also threats against us." After I read it, I couldn't help but notice on one of the pages had the words 'The day the rock went through our window". MMMM, wonder who wrote this?
As I went through the information, I still didn't see any threats, just a bunch of people writing a bunch of stuff about basically nothing. So, which make me think, why would someone go through this much effort? I decided she has a crush on Mario..... She probably has pictures of him on her mirrors, refrigerator, all over. That is kind of creepy. I though she was a happily married women who just wanted to live a peaceful life raising her four kid. (How does anyone have time to do all this research and raise four kids...)
Maybe she likes the tall, young ones... Maybe she likes the ones who like to party with non-alcoholic wine, which is what is in the pictures... Or international travelers, since some of these pictures were taken outside the country. I think you should spend more time with your kids then day dreaming about Mario. I guess getting all this information is only important to you. Mario - you have an admirer...
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by jay32 on Dec 14, 2006 - 02:48 AM (User info | Send a Message)
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Carmen's problem is that she decided to move to Eastpointe in the first place. By the way, i'm writing as a FORMER Eastpointe resident that goes out of my way to avoid even passing through anymore.
The major problem with this case is that the judge allowed a petition from a neighbor to be entered into the case file, but did not allow letters from neighbors that stated she wasn't a problem. The judge was also wrong by sentencing her based on what the petition said, Carmen wasn't there to fight accusations of her FRIENDS causing problems in the the neighborhood, she was there to take care of a ticket for a noise violation.
Which brings me to the whole arguement over her taking responsibilty for her actions. Nobody has ever accused CARMEN of any lewd acts. In essence, Carmen got put in jail because some power-hungry judge and a few neighbors didn't like her friends. Argue all you want but thats the truth. And her going to jail isn't going to change how her friends decide to act.
I've met Carmen on numerous occassions and she is a genuinly good person. Any that hasn't had the pleasure of really knowing her is missing out on a great individual.
On a final note, before you go passing out judgement on the girl and her friends maybe you should all take a step back and look at your own lives. Things you may have done at that age. How many of you owned your own home at 23? Seriously, you people are so quick to call the police for everything anymore. All that does is stir the pot and never solves anything. I'm sure if you ever went to her and talked about any problems it would have been settled.
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by bunny on Jan 19, 2007 - 09:57 AM (User info | Send a Message)
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Scudd I just finaly read it all now! this is the first time i read this and I'm appauld!
You try to turn this all around on your neighbors so she can look sweet and innocent that is pretty bad! I doubt if the nieghbors your speaking about ever were a nuisance! it was you guys ! Did they ever get a ticket for being annoying and loud ! probaly not you guys were!
You realy need to try and tell the truth for once it will do you some good! God knows you all need it !
I think you all need some serious help ! your story dont even make sense!
Like I said before I know how you guys are and you guys have realy stooped real low on this one!
Get a life ! Get a Job !!!
and remember ScudWeDontLoveYou !!!
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by Carrie on Jan 19, 2007 - 11:04 AM (User info | Send a Message)
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And Remember Scud WE LOVE YOU
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by bunny on Jan 19, 2007 - 12:02 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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No Scum oh I mean scudd We Dont Love You!!!!!!!!
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by Carrie on Jan 19, 2007 - 12:22 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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You are so crazy! HELP HELP thats what you need!
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by bunny on Jan 19, 2007 - 12:56 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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Ha Ha Ha !!!!!!!
Like I said before I went to school with these idiots and I didn't like them then and I dont like them now!! A bunch of FREAKS!!!
(hey lets spray paint eachother ) fun,fun,fun!!
FYI: Your the crazy ones!!
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by Carrie on Jan 19, 2007 - 01:07 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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I know why you don't like them cause you can't be them. What school?
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by bunny on Jan 19, 2007 - 02:14 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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Cousino, also I was friends with people who went to ED
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by bunny on Jan 19, 2007 - 02:18 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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Believe me I wouldnt want to be like you !! Jail bird(ha,ha,)Carmen oh I mean carrie!HA,HA
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by Carrie on Jan 19, 2007 - 02:54 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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I am not Carmen ! Why in the world would you think I was Carmen, Melissa O I mean Bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA HA HA
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by bunny on Jan 19, 2007 - 03:05 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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who in the hell is melissa?
For your info: I'll use my real name it is nikki so why dont you use yours.
it must be in your imagination that everybody likes you guys why would thay ever disagree with you? Well I dont like you guys your a bunch of losers .You were in school and I see nothing has changed.
I recently signed up for goeastpointe and I was sickend by the way you guys bashed that women and all your stupid comments you made trying to seem like you guys did nothing wrong.Try to be honest it will set you free!!!
Like I said I dont know any of the neighbors on donald st but I know of you !
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by Carrie on Jan 19, 2007 - 03:17 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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My real name is Carrie!!!!!!!!!!! and I know the whole story unlike you.So you are bashing them because you didn't like them in high school? How long have you been out of school? Ya people do crazy things in high school I no I did. People grow up.
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by Scudder on Jan 19, 2007 - 04:21 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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First of all were you really friends with Carmen or even got to know her even a little? Or are you that closed minded and judgemental that you base all your knowledge on style? And its been five years since she graduated high school and already she has finished collage, started a career and purchased her first home. Her career isnt anything like watiressing tables or sitting in front of a computer all day. She helps in saving lives. Do you have any pets? If anything were to ever happen to one of them you would take it to a vet and guess who would be the first one in placing a catheter or adminstering medications. Thats a veterinary technician and that is what Carmen is, a licensed veterinary technician. Not to mention the litter of kittens she helps by raising them from a few days old to 8 weeks. That in itself isnt easy being awake every 4 hours to feed and stimulate them. Now I ask you "Bunny" what have you been doing with your life? Probably still living at home and obviously not having much of a life if you have nothing better to do than sit on the computer and slam people you think you know.
Everything that i have said about this entire situation is true. Look back to all the people that are on Carmen's side, wheather they know her or not. No one has ever "slammed" the Judge or neighbors. By calling the Judge unfair and the neighbors nosey, that is in fact my opinion, but also, by far, not an insult. All i hear are either horror stories about how this judge ruined there lives. All i hear from the neighborhood, excluding the elite "14 clique", is how certain neighbors tried calling the police on them or absurd and getting into there business. I am not "slamming" anybody. I just feel strongly agianst my girlfriend being thrown in jail, and paying more than $7,000 so far over a first offense noise violation. If you were following the stories you not only see that Carmen has not been on line trying to rally support for her. Also if you were following you would also know that Carmen herself had not been loud, the whole reason she got the ticket is because a friend of hers was on the phone outside, Carmen got the ticket because she is the home owner. She was willing to take responsibilty for this, but in court she was falsely accused of a plethora of allegations, that had nothing to with her noise violation. Can anyone prove that her and her friens have been throwning bottle all over the neighborhood?? Carmen wasnt even being accused of any of this, it "supposedly" her friends. And agian, with all the time the police were called they would have given out privious citations if any thing was a miss at her house or if there were evidence of these allegitations or accusation were at all true. Read the transcript on line, you'll plainly see the judge cutting Carmen off over and over again, even after asking her que People also keep questioning that fact that people were over untill 4am. WHY? Its her house, she does not have a bad time! We were not "partying all hours of the night". We were sitting around, talking about the concert we went to, a counrty concert, not some "goth, devil music" Never have any of us been a problem to the area. The police were called to her house many times, but the fact is that some people do nothing but call the police for anything that can, and the fact that the police have never felt the need to ever issue a ticket before should say something too. Oh, but we have tattoos and piercings, so i guess that means were wrong no matter what right???! Bunny...PSH.....
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by bunny on Jan 24, 2007 - 09:27 AM (User info | Send a Message)
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Scudd ,Scudd,Scudd give me a break already!!
Tell the truth for once in your life it will really make you feel good you know!
You might not believe what you were saying about these neighbors is an insult but if you would see the big picture and all the crap you started here in the community its all bull!
I dont believe you and all the people with common sense dont believe you! I hope you realize you weren't helping your girlfriend. you hurt her by exploiting this story and makeing things up and changing the story a number of times .Smart people read between the lines and your lines are all scribbles.
My advice for you is this ,move on, be a Good citizen ,be a friendly neighbor and have respect for others and tell the truth because lies just get you in more trouble in the long run.If you do these things life will be alot easier for evrybody.
Peace to you and to yours!!!
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by Scudder on Jan 24, 2007 - 01:42 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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You are dilissional and just dont understand anything. My story hasnt changed what so ever. I have no idea why you are so against me and disbelieve whatever it is i have to say, and the second a story comes up that is oppsosed to ours, than your on that side, taking everything in as if its the gospel. Yes, i am a little biased here, but i assure you that i speak only the truth. If somebody actually loved you, and you were thrown in jail for a noise violation, and this being your first offense, i would hope that person would try and fight for you as well. When you boil it down, Carmen may have deserved the initial noise violation citation, but she should of have punished with nothing more than a fine. You just believe what you want, there is no convincing you, you are positively closed minded. The only negatives that came out my doings are the handful of jerks like you that have nothing better to do than try to antagonize me and Carmen. You have absolutley no clue whats going on here, so why are so opionated? I shouldnt have to read your rambles, im sick of it. This story has caught the attention of a lot important and powerful people, and more importantly, a lot of citizens. Things are happening, things are changing. Were at the meeting in Lansing last week?? NO? OH? Than once agian, you have clearly showed that you are full of hot air and just want the attention by acting tough on the keyboard and behind a strippers name. Talk to the neighbors yourself if you want the truth. First of all half of them are on her side, some want no part of it and have no opionin, like u should, and a few are agianst here. Unless you actually want to get invovled other than your laughable insults and pathetic belittlements of Carmen and myself, plaese stop wasting your time. Life is a beautiful; thing and should be enjoyed. Carmen and i live our lives to the fullest and are happy, you should try that too instead of making something that not only has nothing to with you, but also you have no clue what your talking about your concern. Peole like you, and there are MANY, do not effect our lives.
~SCUD LOVES YOU~
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by bunny on Jan 24, 2007 - 02:23 PM (User info | Send a Message)
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what ever you say Scudd! Good riddons !
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